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2006-06-19 14:30:31
Dauntless
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+2,249|7162|London

Ok, I'm gonna build a new pc and bla bla bla... yadda yadda (I could go on, but you dont care )

But should I wait for directx 10 to come out? Anyone know how long this will be and if it will be worth it? What prive range will the directx 10 cards be in at?

Also, more importantly, I read that DirectX 10 won't be backwards compatable????

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just gonna suck ass??
http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX- … 7762.shtml

Well, just share your info/comments.
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2006-06-19 14:37:15
wayneakagod
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+17|7167
No just make sure you get a 64 bit processor. I'd go for a mid-range card now (eg 7600GT) and upgrade when Vista comes around, think it's Q1 next year. You should probably wait for the Intel Conroe next month aswell.
2006-06-19 14:39:50
Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7162|London

Hmm, But what about the backwards compatability stuff? Will it mean I cant play all the games that are out now with a directx 10 card? (I know some of those games will be quite old by then but still, I might like to play them from time to time...)
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2006-06-19 14:41:18
nieker
THE FLYING DUTCH PENGUIN, THE NINTENDO PENGUIN
+191|7047|The Netherlands
man they are lying than noone will get that
EDIT: it are RUMORS no FACTS

Last edited by niekjejeje (2006-06-19 14:41:47)

2006-06-19 16:01:08
Janus67
Tech God
+86|7015|Ohio, USA
DX10 will be backwards compatible, all DXes are.

I would just wait for DX10, the hardware will be out a lil later this year and the official software will be out with vista (early 2007).  It is more up to you though.  Either way if you are going to do a new computer completely wait til July 27th and get a conroe (intel's newest processor)
2006-06-19 16:08:36
908741059871059781
Sheep of War
+40|7063
The new intel conroe is going to be blazing fast. However, I'm not sure that they are 64 bit chips. I built a AMD 939 system, and I'm already wishing I would have waited for conroe.
2006-06-20 01:06:48
saltypeanuts
Member
+1|7203|The Valley of the Sun
The key is when ATI and Nvidia release graphics boards that has DX10 support.  So far nothing has been announced but with the retail consumer version of Vista tentatively being made available January of next year, I would look a little before than.  I'm going to build my next computer around Vista but will wait three months after Vista is released so that they can iron out the bugs and release a service pack.
2006-06-20 01:16:38
r0oki3
Member
+13|6967
I have dx11
2006-06-20 01:29:38
Cybargs
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+2,285|7136

908741059871059781 wrote:

The new intel conroe is going to be blazing fast. However, I'm not sure that they are 64 bit chips. I built a AMD 939 system, and I'm already wishing I would have waited for conroe.
all new intel chips are 64bit...

dont wait for dx10 cards, i dont see many games built around dx10... just buy a 7900gt today and get dx10 card next summer
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2006-06-20 07:13:26
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|7156|Salt Lake City

DX10 will contain a wrapper that allows previous versions of DX to run. 

A video card that is DX9 compliant will be required for Vista.  You will only need a DX10 compliant card to use DX10 features in upcoming software.

DX10 will be exclusive to Vista, and will not be available for Windows XP or earlier OS'.
2006-06-20 07:20:17
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6970|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth

Janus67 wrote:

DX10 will be backwards compatible, all DXes are.

I would just wait for DX10, the hardware will be out a lil later this year and the official software will be out with vista (early 2007).  It is more up to you though.  Either way if you are going to do a new computer completely wait til July 27th and get a conroe (intel's newest processor)
DX10 is going to be Windows Vista only so you may have problems with games that aren't Vista compatible.  Also, the poster above is incorrect because DX10 will be the first NOT to be backwards compatible.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX- … 7762.shtml

I know ATi are bring out their "360 and PS3 beating" graphics card at the end of the year and it will be DX10 and needed to run games like Crysis (watch the vids on youtube to see what DX10 can do, amazing!).

It seems you are in a pickle because so far it seems you either go DX10 and go through the whole process of building a games collection from scratch (although they will be pretty damn good games I reckon) or go for what's out now and take the hit on the future market.  Personally, I'm gonna wait, Crysis alone isn't enough...

"Microsoft has decided that backward compatibly with DirectX 9,8,7 isn't really necessary as there will probably will be even less compatible with Vista.

Even so, dear Microsoft hasn't totally forgotten us. Some sort of “compatibility” will be available through a software layer (probably some emulation) which will have its price in system resources, as it will run much slower." In other words, if you run a DX9 game like BF2 on it, it'll add a lot more strain on your entire system and you'll get less performance over a straight DX9 card

Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2006-06-20 07:24:35)

2006-06-20 07:43:51
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7156|Salt Lake City

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Janus67 wrote:

DX10 will be backwards compatible, all DXes are.

I would just wait for DX10, the hardware will be out a lil later this year and the official software will be out with vista (early 2007).  It is more up to you though.  Either way if you are going to do a new computer completely wait til July 27th and get a conroe (intel's newest processor)
DX1 is going to be Windows Vista only so you may have problems with games that aren't Vista compatible.  Also, the poster above is incorrect because DX10 will be the first NOT to be backwards compatible.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX- … 7762.shtml

I know ATi are bring out their "360 and PS3 beating" graphics card at the end of the year and it will be DX10 and needed to run games like Crysis (watch the vids on youtube to see what DX10 can do, amazing!).

It seems you are in a pickle because so far it seems you either go DX10 and go through the whole process of building a games collection from scratch (although they will be pretty damn good games I reckon) or go for what's out now and take the hit on the future market.  Personally, I'm gonna wait, Crysis alone isn't enough...

"Microsoft has decided that backward compatibly with DirectX 9,8,7 isn't really necessary as there will probably will be even less compatible with Vista.

Even so, dear Microsoft hasn't totally forgotten us. Some sort of “compatibility” will be available through a software layer (probably some emulation) which will have its price in system resources, as it will run much slower." In other words, if you run a dx9 game like BF2 it add more stain and you'll get less performance over a straight DX9 card
That is incorrect.  DX10 will not be backwards compatible in that it will not run on earlier OS'.  MS has already said that DX10 will contain a wrapper of sorts that supports the ability of titles using earlier versions of DX.

Microsoft Corp., the world’s largest maker of software, will not release next-generation graphics application programming interface (API) called DirectX 10 for the currently shipping Windows XP operating system (OS), instead, the company will keep the new API strictly for the forthcoming Windows Vista OS, despite earlier assumptions about DirectX 10 for the XP.

During a DirectX 10-related event in London, UK, Richard Huddy, ATI Technologies’ software developers relations chief, said that Microsoft’s Vista will integrate DirectX 10 and DirectX 9 APIs for different types of hardware, but the current Windows XP will not get DirectX 10 support, as suggested some rumours earlier. For end users this means that to get the most advantages of the new-generation graphics processing units (GPUs), the new OS will be required.
http://www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=17278

As we mentioned previously with the special case of games, the problems relating to them are a combination of driver issues and DirectX issues. For some reason, the version of DirectX included with Vista does not have a completely working compatibility layer for pre-DirectX 10 games, while some games can't correctly detect DirectX 10 as a superset of DX9.0c. This has resulted in games seeing Vista as only having DirectX 9.0(a), which in turn causes some games to fail and start believing the system is out of date. Other games will not enable certain features such as SM3.0. Some DLLs are also missing from the current version of DirectX, such as the D3DX DLLs that come with the seasonal DirectX9.0c updates, and these need to be installed before games using them (such as Battlefield 2) can be used. Also, most games will still need administrative powers to run, as the use of anti-cheat and anti-copying protections such as PunkBuster and Safedisc require administrative power to do their checks.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2780&p=10

NOTE:  The Anandtech quote is referring to Beta 2, so the issues are understandable, but it doesn't change the fact that Vista and DX10 will still play your games using previous versions of DirectX.
2006-06-20 07:48:37
KungfuBeer
The King of Beers
+31|7150|SoCal
Why would you wait for DX10 to be released before upgrading?  What you buy now will be DX10 compatable.
2006-06-20 07:55:35
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6970|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

all that copy and paste stuff here.
You started your post off by saying I was wrong and then went on to post text that confirmed exactly what I had already posted, that DX10 cards will work with DX9 games but there will be issues.  Yes it will work but it will suck your system resources and when we're talking about a big resource eater like BF2, I certainly wouldn't want to play BF2 on a DX10 card that's for sure (although testing may prove me wrong I suppose, none of this stuff's hit the market yet).

Also, I made the point that as DX10 is only going to be Vista, having a DX10 card requires a Vista machine meaning you could render certain games unplayable if they don't like Vista (remember all the programmes that became unusable when XP came out?).  I stand by my original post.....
2006-06-20 08:06:56
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7156|Salt Lake City

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

all that copy and paste stuff here.
You started your post off by saying I was wrong and then went on to post text that confirmed exactly what I had already posted, that DX10 cards will work with DX9 games but there will be issues.  Yes it will work but it will suck your system resources and when we're talking about a big resource eater like BF2, I certainly wouldn't want to play BF2 on a DX10 card that's for sure (although testing may prove me wrong I suppose, none of this stuff's hit the market yet).

Also, I made the point that as DX10 is only going to be Vista, having a DX10 card requires a Vista machine meaning you could render certain games unplayable if they don't like Vista (remember all the programmes that became unusable when XP came out?).  I stand by my original post.....
And you started out by saying my original post was wrong, which it wasn't.  I said DX10 will be Vista only and would use a wrapper of sorts to make earlier DX titles work.  What part of that was wrong?

Is there a possibility of compatibility issues, sure there.  Were there issues with programs that would no longer run under XP?  Yes there was, but you do realize that those issues weren't related to DX, but to XP itself being a new NT based based platform.

On the point of games running worse, that debateable.  I've also read that DX10 has several features that reduce overhead, and even games running under the DX10 compatibility layer will still be able to utilize them, actually making them run at least as good, possibility even a little better, than they would under their native DX platform.
2006-06-20 08:30:46
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6970|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

[And you started out by saying my original post was wrong, which it wasn't.  I said DX10 will be Vista only and would use a wrapper of sorts to make earlier DX titles work.  What part of that was wrong?
Can you post evidence of this accusation please?  Look back up, my orginal post was in reply to Janus67 who said "DX10 is backwards compatible, they all are" or something along those lines.  I think you made a mistake bud'.
2006-06-20 08:40:29
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7156|Salt Lake City

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

[And you started out by saying my original post was wrong, which it wasn't.  I said DX10 will be Vista only and would use a wrapper of sorts to make earlier DX titles work.  What part of that was wrong?
Can you post evidence of this accusation please?  Look back up, my orginal post was in reply to Janus67 who said "DX10 is backwards compatible, they all are" or something along those lines.  I think you made a mistake bud'.
This was from your post.

Also, the poster above is incorrect because DX10 will be the first NOT to be backwards compatible.
I was the poster just above your post where you said this.  I thought you were referring to my post.  If you were referring to another post further up, I apologize.
2006-06-20 08:46:05
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6970|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

[And you started out by saying my original post was wrong, which it wasn't.  I said DX10 will be Vista only and would use a wrapper of sorts to make earlier DX titles work.  What part of that was wrong?
Can you post evidence of this accusation please?  Look back up, my orginal post was in reply to Janus67 who said "DX10 is backwards compatible, they all are" or something along those lines.  I think you made a mistake bud'.
This was from your post.

Also, the poster above is incorrect because DX10 will be the first NOT to be backwards compatible.
I was the poster just above your post where you said this.  I thought you were referring to my post.  If you were referring to another post further up, I apologize.
Oh I see, I meant above as in the quote that was above my text in the post so Janus67. +1 for the mix up
2006-06-20 09:25:14
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7186|Cambridge (UK)
I've seen one story, that has been repeated all over the internet, saying that XP won't get DX10.

And I've seen one story, from a reputable source, that XP will get DX10.

Which one's correct?

I don't know. Only microsoft know that.

The microsoft material I've seen on the subject on DirectX 10 says that it will debut exclusively on Vista - not that it will be absolutely and forever exclusive to Vista.

Make of that what you will.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2006-06-20 09:47:22)

 

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