Kmar
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Russia Tests New Reentry Vehicle Said Designed to Penetrate U.S. Defenses
April 23, 2006 :: Pravda :: News

Russia on Saturday test-launched a new warhead designed to penetrate U.S. missile defenses. The warhead was launched aboard a K65M-R missile from the Kapustin Yar testing ground in the southern Astrakhan region. The K65M (R-14) is a launcher used to deliver satellites to orbit. Itar-Tass quotes Colonel-General Nikolai Solovtsov, commander of Russia’s Strategic Rocket Forces, who noted that the test involved optic and radar measurement systems that reproduce U.S. missile defense systems. Kommersant reported that the test was made with the K65-M launcher as opposed to a newer Topol-M for cost reasons, and that only one Topol-M per year would be test launched, for operating purposes.

        “Saturday, we began official flight tests for the…arming of promising missile systems which will go into service in 2008,” Ivanov was quoted by the Itar-Tass news agency as saying when he reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin, “that is of landmark significance for us and the country.” Ivanov added that “The deviation [from target] did not exceed several hundred meters, which is a good result for the first launch. The warhead dummy arrived at the preset point at a distance of more than 2,000 kilometers at the Balkhash test field in Kazakhstan, leased by Russia.”

        The warhead tested is apparently under consideration for use on both land and sea-based missiles, presumably the Topol-M and Bulava. The trajectory on which it is tested makes use of many radars at the Sary Shagan site.
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UON
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And here's the original article which states why they are developing it (and who can blame them):

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/23 … -missile-0
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Pineapplewhat
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Fully agree with them doing it...
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
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Are you two guys being ironic? I dont really understand...
UON
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No irony intended on my part.  America developed a missile defence system, therefore breaking the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.  It shouldn't act suprised if other nuclear superpowers update their missile systems to get around this, otherwise they wouldn't have much of a nuclear deterent, would they?

EDIT:  The only irony is that by spending of billions of dollars on a missile defence system they actually pulled out of a pact which prevented other people developing means to get around it.

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Kmar
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Honestly I think they have both had them "In developement" for some time. We probably just never knew.
It is kinda wierd how Russia is waaaaaaay ahead of the US if we did in fact start the defense program first. I know the US has just as much funding if not more.
Hmmm maybe they just announced it first..lol

Who knows....

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-04-29 16:34:35)

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polarbearz
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ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.

Hehe. Some people are just conspiracy theorists
GunSlinger OIF II
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strategic defense initiative
UON
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

strategic defense initiative
Exactly.  SDI got developed on the basis that the technology would be provided to the Russians.  Then the soviet union collapsed and Russia was left without the resources to implement SDI. 

Effectively America is now basically claiming to have implemented a defense system rendering conventional nukes useless, therefore there is no longer the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction. 

http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/html/mdalink.html
revolution.inc
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we have things the world doesn't know about... I don't know what but I'm sure there are plenty of them.
Kmar
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polarbearz wrote:

Hehe. Some people are just conspiracy theorists
The first post is a fact.. we were all just adding some color to it.
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unnamednewbie13
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I'll eat my hat the day the US nukes Russia/vice versa.
polarbearz
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Kmarion wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Hehe. Some people are just conspiracy theorists
The first post is a fact.. we were all just adding some color to it.
Yes some people. Like you
GunSlinger OIF II
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I'll eat my hat the day the US nukes Russia/vice versa.
you wouldnt be saying that about 20 years ago
Capt. Foley
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if u want 2 see a great US vs. Russia conflict go to pointofexistence.com
(back on topic)
i think its kinda obvious that almost all the stuff we have the public dosent kno about
i heard that in the 70s i think we had to create more nukes so the public would feel safter when in truth we had about 4 times as many as the public thought we did
kessel!
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sorry, but the site on which that article was produced doesnt look too reputable. look at some of the other links to articles on the sides and top. wouldnt national newspapers have covered this? its a very interesting discussion tho
Cybargs
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russia will be poor again soon, i see many ppl crying in the streets saying "for mother russia!".
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Rosse_modest
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

russia will be poor again soon, i see many ppl crying in the streets saying "for mother russia!".
What makes you think they ever stopped being poor?

The country's still in an economical shithole.
Kmar
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kessel! wrote:

sorry, but the site on which that article was produced doesnt look too reputable. look at some of the other links to articles on the sides and top. wouldnt national newspapers have covered this? its a very interesting discussion tho
Try this one then

http://www.missilethreat.com/

“If ballistic missiles exist and if they can be launched from land or sea, and if they can be launched from a ship, and if they can kill millions of people, you have a choice. You can either say, well, I’d like to try to defend against them, or you can say, I will acquiesce and let whoever has that weapon blackmail and threaten me into doing whatever it is they want me to do.”

- Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, July 22, 2001

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Spark
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Kmarion wrote:

kessel! wrote:

sorry, but the site on which that article was produced doesnt look too reputable. look at some of the other links to articles on the sides and top. wouldnt national newspapers have covered this? its a very interesting discussion tho
Try this one then

http://www.missilethreat.com/

“If ballistic missiles exist and if they can be launched from land or sea, and if they can be launched from a ship, and if they can kill millions of people, you have a choice. You can either say, well, I’d like to try to defend against them, or you can say, I will acquiesce and let whoever has that weapon blackmail and threaten me into doing whatever it is they want me to do.”

- Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld, July 22, 2001
And this from the guy who's part of a organisation whose goal is to make the world US military-run?

A ballistic missle is not a toy. It is not simple to make. It requires extreme care, extreme patience, specialist skills, specialist environments and facilities. None of whom these 'threateners' (e.g. terrorists) have.

Geez, we don't have any nukes! Geez, no-one has EVER attacked us on our mainland! How about you try to solve the root causes of 'threatening' instead of hedging yourself in?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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UON
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polarbearz wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

Hehe. Some people are just conspiracy theorists
The first post is a fact.. we were all just adding some color to it.
Yes some people. Like you
So you weren't just talking about me... i'll cancel that positive karma when the 24 hour wait is up

Anyway, here's a conspiracy theory:

Kmarion, look closer at that quote from Rumsfeld.  He ignores the balance that exists by two parties both owning nukes and the capability to deploy them, which has been the defence against nuclear attack up until recently. The threatening and blackmail can only happen when one party has the bomb and the other doesn't...  by defending against nukes a situation is created where America has nukes and Russia (effectively) doesn't... so who's in the position to blackmail and threaten, really?
Kmar
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Like i said I seriously doubt neither country has not been developing these programs for some time now. The fact is Russia has a fully operational missile defense system in place and is years ahead of the US. Don't be so naive to think that because the US were the first ones to come clean it makes them the ones who created the unbalance.


And Spark when thing's get out of control in the world no one looks to AUS. Get on the UN security council and then start talking to me about national defense.

Here is one from Ronald Reagan if it makes you feel better...lol
Shouldn't we seek to save lives rather than avenge them? (Regarding missile defense)

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-04-30 05:18:57)

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Horseman 77
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UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

No irony intended on my part.  America developed a missile defence system, therefore breaking the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.  It shouldn't act suprised if other nuclear superpowers update their missile systems to get around this, otherwise they wouldn't have much of a nuclear deterent, would they?

EDIT:  The only irony is that by spending of billions of dollars on a missile defence system they actually pulled out of a pact which prevented other people developing means to get around it.
Read your own posts

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

" America developed a missile  DEFENSE  system "
The USSR cheated on every pact they signed.

Pulling out of SALT II was just an administrations acknowledgment of the Parameters if faced in dealing with the Soviets. =  SCUM


It would have been Ironic if they hadn't been cheating on that one particular pact.

Further, Russia asked for and received US assistance. Look how they spent the money. That's Irony.

Nothing would have stopped any country from developing its own Missile Defense Systems.

Maybe they have delusions of grandeur...again.
Cybargs
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Rosse_modest wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

russia will be poor again soon, i see many ppl crying in the streets saying "for mother russia!".
What makes you think they ever stopped being poor?

The country's still in an economical shithole.
woops, i mean broke well i agree w/ u its a shithole, still has some problems now, remember chechnya terrorists/rebels held the school? and the moscow theatre?
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Kmar
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Horseman 77 wrote:

Nothing would have stopped any country from developing its own Missile Defense Systems.
Exactly
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