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2015-08-22 09:41:03

#12551

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
There has been states in history and even today where the government has acted in the best interest of the nation and not just to enrich its leaders. They are almost always ethnically or religiously homogeneous and have a strong sense of nationhood and identity.

Israel would probably be the first state I would cite. It was founded on giving the Jewish people a place to live and has always felt threatened and under pressure by the others. And it has always acted aggressively to protect its Jewish people. Even to the point where most of the rest of the world hates it. Israel doesn't go around trying to push dubious ideas like free trade and democracy onto other countries.

To say every government has always been about making money on the backs of their citizens is cynical bad history. Sounds like something a battered domestic violencevictim would say to justify the abuse they go through.

Every country in history has been corrupt and selfish the same way every man has beat on their wives. The black eye I have is not that bad compared to that Russian lady whose husband stabbed her. I have it good
Yeah, no. Stop being an idealist. Power corrupts etc.

Next you'll start spouting off about benevolent tyrants.
Stop being overly cynical. Cynism isn't a sign of intelligence. Often it is a marker of ignorance.

I'm not saying that lawmakers don't have good intentions most of the time, they just always surround themselves with shitheads looking to steal as much as they can.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-08-22 14:30:58

#12552

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Whatever, anyway.

Bernie Sanders posted the Libertarian party platform for the 1980 election.

“We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission."

“We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs."

“We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services."

“We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry."

“We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary."

“We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence. Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service."

“We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes."

“We support the eventual repeal of all taxation."

“As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately."

“We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws."

“We advocate the complete separation of education and State. Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended."

“We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws."

“We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit."

“We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency."

“We support abolition of the Department of Energy."

“We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation."

“We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system."

“We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets."

“We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration."

“We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration."

“We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children."

“We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals."

“We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households."

“We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act."

“We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission."

“We support the repeal of all state usury laws."

And these people consider themselves the party of adults.

2015-08-22 23:18:11

#12553

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

Jay wrote:
I'm not saying that lawmakers don't have good intentions most of the time, they just always surround themselves with shitheads looking to steal as much as they can.

Lobby system yo.

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2015-08-23 00:55:05

#12554

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
I'm not saying that lawmakers don't have good intentions most of the time, they just always surround themselves with shitheads looking to steal as much as they can.

You can say jews, its OK.

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2015-08-23 06:54:59

#12555

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jay wrote:
I'm not saying that lawmakers don't have good intentions most of the time, they just always surround themselves with shitheads looking to steal as much as they can.
You can say jews, its OK.

No, in this country it's usually Ivy League classmates of lawmakers using their connections for personal gain. In return, lawmakers get a nice cushy job in the private sector when they decide to leave office.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-08-23 08:37:11

#12556

uziq: Member; +492|3453

elites form at elite schools and pass around elite jobs to other elite peers in corruption shocker

2015-08-23 13:54:24

#12557

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

There is a wholly disproportionate number of jews influencing US govt policy, if it were muslims or some other medieval cult questions would be asked.

You'd think elite schools would instil morals and higher values.

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2015-08-23 13:59:48

#12558

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

uziq wrote:
elites form at elite schools and pass around elite jobs to other elite peers in corruption shocker

A lot of our PM's in aus were rhodes scholars and went to oxferd.

I'm sure it's the same how most of your top MPs are etonians and went to oxbridge.

fuck i want to be a lord that shit would be koo.

2015-08-23 14:10:55

#12559

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Dilbert_X wrote:
There is a wholly disproportionate number of jews influencing US govt policy, if it were muslims or some other medieval cult questions would be asked.

You'd think elite schools would instil morals and higher values.

What did the Jews ever do to you?

2015-08-23 14:35:22

#12560

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Taken us into various wars and exposed us all to Islamic terrorism?

But forgetting selfish reasons they have slaughtered and dispossessed an entire nation of people.

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2015-08-23 14:42:56

#12561

uziq: Member; +492|3453

all zionists are jews but not all jews are zionists.

granted israel has a powerful lobby in D.C. but it's not like they're merely buying soft power and influence. it's a two-way benefit for the US.

2015-08-23 15:04:42

#12562

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Whats the benefit for the US? A solid alliance with Saudi Arabia would be far more beneficial.

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2015-08-23 17:09:27

#12563

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

uziq wrote:
all zionists are jews but not all jews are zionists.

granted israel has a powerful lobby in D.C. but it's not like they're merely buying soft power and influence. it's a two-way benefit for the US.

there's a lot of christians who believe israel is the land for the jews.

Would they constitute zionists then?

2015-08-23 17:10:12

#12564

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

Dilbert_X wrote:
Whats the benefit for the US? A solid alliance with Saudi Arabia would be far more beneficial.

you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!

2015-08-23 17:35:04

#12565

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Whats the benefit for the US? A solid alliance with Saudi Arabia would be far more beneficial.
you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!

I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.

2015-08-23 17:53:08

#12566

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Whats the benefit for the US? A solid alliance with Saudi Arabia would be far more beneficial.
you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!
I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.

Wahhabis aren't our friends. They merely tolerate us because they hate Shia more.

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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-08-23 18:20:02

#12567

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Whats the benefit for the US? A solid alliance with Saudi Arabia would be far more beneficial.
you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!
I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.

Those Irish Americans weren't exactly members of the government now were they.

If you had congressmen or any federal .gov staff sponsoring the IRA you bet there would be a shit storm.

2015-08-23 18:37:20

#12568

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!
I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.
Wahhabis aren't our friends. They merely tolerate us because they hate Shia more.

Oh Christ, not this wahhabism bullshit. I remember when Turquoise used to go on about wahhabism causing terrorism and Sufism was the good Muslims. Can we discuss middle eastern politics without having to resort to name dropping religious movements?

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2015-08-23 18:55:04

#12569

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Cybargs wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
you mean the same guys whom been funding terrorist organizations against the USA?

What a great alliance!
I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.
Those Irish Americans weren't exactly members of the government now were they.

If you had congressmen or any federal .gov staff sponsoring the IRA you bet there would be a shit storm.

Sitting member of congress Peter king did have IRA connections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._ … or_the_IRA

The U.S. is still allies with the U.K.?

2015-08-23 19:33:02

#12570

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:

I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.
Those Irish Americans weren't exactly members of the government now were they.

If you had congressmen or any federal .gov staff sponsoring the IRA you bet there would be a shit storm.
Sitting member of congress Peter king did have IRA connections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._ … or_the_IRA

The U.S. is still allies with the U.K.?

should've investigated his punk ass for financing terrorism then.

2015-08-24 00:17:56

#12571

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Cybargs wrote:
If you had congressmen or any federal .gov staff sponsoring the IRA you bet there would be a shit storm.

https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/TedK.jpg

No really, the Irish lobby achieved quite a lot for the IRA through the US govt - Fund-raising in Boston went unchecked, arms shipments to the IRA, blocking of arms purchases by the British govt.

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2015-08-24 00:18:40

#12572

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Cybargs wrote:
there's a lot of christians who believe israel is the land for the jews.

Would they constitute zionists then?

Yes

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2015-08-24 03:49:58

#12573

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:

I hate this meme. The Saudi Arabian government officially supports the U.S. in the middle east. Just because a few of the thousands of Saudi Arabian royal family members may have had a part in funding anti-American terrorism doesn't mean Saudi Arabia isn't a good ally.

That is like saying that since a few Irish Americans funded the IRA, the U.S. government is not a good ally to the U.K.
Wahhabis aren't our friends. They merely tolerate us because they hate Shia more.
Oh Christ, not this wahhabism bullshit. I remember when Turquoise used to go on about wahhabism causing terrorism and Sufism was the good Muslims. Can we discuss middle eastern politics without having to resort to name dropping religious movements?

Remain ignorant. Wahhabis are the born again Christians of Islam. The hardcore of the hardcore. The Sauds are Wahhabis, so are ISIS. They're the ones into racial and religious purity and killing your poor Iraqi christians (of whom you've met none, while I've personally known several who are most likely dead). Get a clue dude.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-08-24 03:51:46

#12574

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
there's a lot of christians who believe israel is the land for the jews.

Would they constitute zionists then?
Yes

Is your real life name Cat Stevens?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2015-08-24 04:21:29

#12575

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
Wahhabis aren't our friends. They merely tolerate us because they hate Shia more.
Oh Christ, not this wahhabism bullshit. I remember when Turquoise used to go on about wahhabism causing terrorism and Sufism was the good Muslims. Can we discuss middle eastern politics without having to resort to name dropping religious movements?
Remain ignorant. Wahhabis are the born again Christians of Islam. The hardcore of the hardcore. The Sauds are Wahhabis, so are ISIS. They're the ones into racial and religious purity and killing your poor Iraqi christians (of whom you've met none, while I've personally known several who are most likely dead). Get a clue dude.

ISIS aren't Wahhabis. They are Salafist. Important difference that I am sure you understand completely.

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