Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6199|Ireland
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/ … atastrophe

Lawmakers will look back on 2011 as the year the U.S. started down into a financial Grand Canyon, because the first baby boomers turn 65 this year -- the front edge of a tidal wave of baby boomer retirements.

"Over the next 20 years, around 10,000 baby boomers will be retiring each day," says Andrew Biggs, an analyst at the American Enterprise Institute. "That means more people collecting social security, more people collecting Medicare, more people collecting Medicaid as well,"

That also means the members of one of the most affluent generations will slow down in buying cars and homes and consumer products of all kinds, as they pass their peak earning years and head into retirement.

That could hurt the economy, but it is clearly a financial disaster for the federal government as those 79 million boomers shift from paying taxes into social security and Medicare and start collecting benefits from them.

"The federal government's going to be bleeding money as the baby boom retires," says Doug Holtz Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office. "We know we can't pay all the Social Security and Medicare benefits that we promised. There isn't enough money in the world to do that so we know we're going to have to make cuts," Biggs says. "But politicians are afraid to make the choices to do that."

The two programs need tens of trillions of dollars to pay all the benefits promised. And analysts say that when all the boomers are collecting benefits, the government would need one of every three dollars earned by those still working just to support social security and Medicare. Charles Blahous, a trustee of Social Security and Medicare, notes that younger Americans are " going to have a much, much higher share of their paychecks going to the federal government to support not only the federal budget in general, but specifically entitlement programs for the elderly."

There are lots of proposals to repair the finances of the two programs. But they're politically difficult, and the longer lawmakers wait, the harder and more painful the fixes get.

"There is an implicit bipartisan consensus," Blahous says, "that we're not going to suddenly cut benefits of people once they're receiving them. So we're not going to pay that 85 year-old widow $2,000 in January and then jerk her back to $1,800 in February. We're just not gonna do that."So every year that passes puts more seniors on the rolls, making their benefits politically untouchable -- meaning more and more of the solution has to come from tax increases.

Young taxpayers would no doubt complain, but people over 65 are the most reliable and determined voters, which means lawmakers would be wary of taking anything away from them.
Just like us they were the victims of the "New Deal" socialism of America.  The perfect tax.  Just like their parents they did nothing about it  and now will take their part in the destruction of my kid's future. The US government spends Trillions a year, but wants to spend even more.  You wonder why some loony quotes monetary policies before he shoots a congressman, well it is because just like him it is insane so it is something he can identify with and comprehend.

The US is failing right now, seriously.  The country is made up of people on the government pay roll and illegals.  Now the Baby boomers will all become rabid socialists voting for their next paycheck from the government.  Wonder why the Republican party became socialist?  It is about to become worse with its biggest supporters on the government payroll.

Just wait until people can no longer afford a PS3 or X-BOX, you think the ghetto is bad now just wait till these babysitters are taken away.  What do you think 19 year old freddy will do with his free time when he get off work from burger king and doesn't have his PS3?  Oh shit, freddy read the news and he is pissed spending his time ranting over the fry machine at work about the monetary system and how people need to sleep, freddy needs to sleep.......
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6513

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Just like their parents they did nothing about it  and now will take their part in the destruction of my kid's future.
i don't have kids, i'm perfectly happy to fuck over your kids' future.
Macbeth
Banned
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I don't see why I should have to pay into SS when I don't want to even get anywhere near the age to start collecting it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6421|North Carolina
The only escape to this is rapid immigration.  As long as you have a ton of young people to spread the taxes around with, you don't have to raise rates.

In this respect, amnesty for illegals isn't such a bad idea.

Granted, cutting spending in other areas would also help.  We will soon be no longer able to keep up a massive military budget, and the percentage of our budget spent on the military will probably fall to levels more comparable to our economic peers as we bend to fiscal pressures involving entitlement programs.

We will most likely intervene in foreign conflicts far less over the next several decades.

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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6558|Texas - Bigger than France
Argument against:

In the coming years we will see the largest transfer of wealth in history (aka inheritance).  My guess is that's going to fund social security.
jord
Member
+2,382|6694|The North, beyond the wall.
Nothing new really. Most people are of the "here and now" persuasion, in favour of passing on debts and such. Meh.
Hunter/Jumper
Member
+117|6371

Macbeth wrote:

I don't see why I should have to pay into SS when I don't want to even get anywhere near the age to start collecting it.
lol I had the same opinion, I know I will never see 1 dime of SS anyway,
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6731|US
Giant Ponzi Scheme...more or less.
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5490|Ventura, California
Whatever happened to saving up so when you're old you can retire and live off of the money you worked hard for?

Oh yeah the government lets you be lazy.
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6732

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Whatever happened to saving up so when you're old you can retire and live off of the money you worked hard for?

Oh yeah the government lets you be lazy.
lol and the immigrant speaks.
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unnamednewbie13
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+2,053|6788|PNW

That could hurt the economy, but it is clearly a financial disaster for the federal government as those 79 million boomers shift from paying taxes into social security and Medicare and start collecting benefits from them.
Gee. Looks like certain funds were...MISAPPROPRIATED.

I'm not really surprised that the feds can't really handle investment, and I was never under the illusion that I'd ever see a penny from them for this. My dad still laughs when my grandma asks him what he's going to do when he gets his social security check.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6169|what

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Whatever happened to saving up so when you're old you can retire and live off of the money you worked hard for?

Oh yeah the government lets you be lazy.
Yeah and if you don't have enough money in your retirement due to a low income, well sorry mate, but you're out on your ass.

How is that fair?

And being lazy doesn't always equate with how many dollars you make. There are plenty of people who work harder than those people who get paid more.

edit: good point krazed

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krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|6796|Great Brown North

AussieReaper wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Whatever happened to saving up so when you're old you can retire and live off of the money you worked hard for?

Oh yeah the government lets you be lazy.
Yeah and if you don't have enough money in your retirement due to a low income, well sorry mate, but you're out on your ass.

How is that fair?

And being lazy doesn't always equate with how many money you make. There are plenty of people who work harder than those people who get paid more.
lol you're trying to use actual thought on shifty.... good luck
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6169|what

Let's run with the idea that the older people don't get social security "because taxes are too high".

They can no longer support themselves as they are too old to work, but you don't want them to be a drain on the tax payer either, so...

That only leaves them one option, to move into their childrens homes. You will have a middle aged couple supporting their kids through school and the parents through retirement.

The drain on the economy still exists. The tax payer burden is simply shifted onto the family unit directly. The government supports a range of subsidies for older people with those taxes, eg for medications. If you shift all that to the family unit, the households are further stretched then if they were taxed, because not all older people have a family able to support them.

The idea that the baby boomers are going to be a bigger toll on the government services has been predicted for decades now. The government has to be wiser about it's spending, not decide to stop that spending.
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-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5490|Ventura, California
lol

Taxes are too high

lol

The money is being spent in the wrong places on the wrong things. Also lol @ government officials' pay checks.
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FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6516|so randum
lol @ someone who's lived in Switzerland for the majority of his life, is a certified retard deciding he's Americas mouthpiece. Please stop posting and/or breathing and leave it to some actual Americans to explain their country
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-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5490|Ventura, California
I know old people in the US who are living off of their property (They bought homes and rented them out until paid for, then collect the money) but also get social security from the government.

I don't need to live in the United States, or have a very high education to know that's messed up.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6146|North Tonawanda, NY

-Sh1fty- wrote:

I know old people in the US who are living off of their property (They bought homes and rented them out until paid for, then collect the money) but also get social security from the government.

I don't need to live in the United States, or have a very high education to know that's messed up.
What's wrong with renting property for extra income?
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,736|6753|Oxferd Ohire
I think he's referring to the fact that they get social security.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6146|North Tonawanda, NY

RTHKI wrote:

I think he's referring to the fact that they get social security.
Yes, but how does it follow that collecting social security is wrong in that situation?  Is a stipulation of SS that you must be 100% dependent on it?
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,736|6753|Oxferd Ohire
maybe according to shifty  ..
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6146|North Tonawanda, NY

RTHKI wrote:

maybe according to shifty  ..
haha, probably.  I don't see a problem with that 'dilemma' of his.
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5490|Ventura, California
If they can live off of the rent they're receiving, they don't need our tax dollars.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5718|College Park, MD
But they contributed for most if not all of their careers to the Social Security fund. Maybe it's unfair for them to get SSI when they can sustain themselves, but it's also unfair to take their money if they're not gonna get something back.
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