No, not if you don't want to, but I was assuming that the reason for your posts was that you didn't think pot should be legalised because it can be addictive, or...?Chou wrote:
There's no reason for me to go into a discussion with you on your "so what" argument, is there?
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??ruisleipa wrote:
I agree people can get addicted to pot, but so what?Chou wrote:
Same goes for alcohol but I'm aiming at addictive behaviour.
Drinking a six pack every day, habit or not.. makes you an alcoholic, deny it all you want whether it makes a person rage or not, it's still an addiction.
people get addicted to porn too
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but society does have rehab for addictions...lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??ruisleipa wrote:
I agree people can get addicted to pot, but so what?Chou wrote:
Same goes for alcohol but I'm aiming at addictive behaviour.
Drinking a six pack every day, habit or not.. makes you an alcoholic, deny it all you want whether it makes a person rage or not, it's still an addiction.
Sorry, if drug use is to be made legal ( which I fully support). I see no reason why I should be forced to pay for recovery of those that choose the irresponsible path of drug use and abuse. Fuck them.androoz wrote:
but society does have rehab for addictions...lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??ruisleipa wrote:
I agree people can get addicted to pot, but so what?
Nope people like sex, it feels good. Porn is a release of that desire. that desire is not because of porn. Besides, someones enjoyment of porn does not affect me in the slightest.eleven bravo wrote:
people get addicted to porn too
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who cares what you enjoy? talking about the definition of addiction and the criteria that meet that category. apparently, youre unfamiliar.
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well at the moment the US isnt legalizing heroin, crack, etc.lowing wrote:
Sorry, if drug use is to be made legal ( which I fully support). I see no reason why I should be forced to pay for recovery of those that choose the irresponsible path of drug use and abuse. Fuck them.androoz wrote:
but society does have rehab for addictions...lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??
you kind of already are paying for peoples drug use (people in rehab for alcohol)
but i agree, tax dollars shouldnt be spent toward peoples ABUSE of drugs but unfortunately that happens.
Seems like a fair trade. I'd rather the money be spent on properly educating children.lowing wrote:
Sorry, if drug use is to be made legal ( which I fully support). I see no reason why I should be forced to pay for recovery of those that choose the irresponsible path of drug use and abuse. Fuck them.androoz wrote:
but society does have rehab for addictions...lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??
well, I dunno, I wasn't talking about rehab. Why d'you put it in capital letters?lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??
But now you bring it up, it seems to me that the alternative of rehabd is having a load of druggies walking around the streets robbing and doing fuck all which is worse for society, so, in general rehab is a good idea.
nothing. that society will have to deal with the consequences of not providing said rehab. are you ready for that?lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??ruisleipa wrote:
I agree people can get addicted to pot, but so what?Chou wrote:
Same goes for alcohol but I'm aiming at addictive behaviour.
Drinking a six pack every day, habit or not.. makes you an alcoholic, deny it all you want whether it makes a person rage or not, it's still an addiction.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Ummm...don't you guys think they'll pay for it by taxing the crap out of weed?
Aka, the sin tax they have on cigarrettes right now...?
Aka, the sin tax they have on cigarrettes right now...?
that too.Pug wrote:
Ummm...don't you guys think they'll pay for it by taxing the crap out of weed?
Aka, the sin tax they have on cigarrettes right now...?
im still actually curious as to how the tax thing will work?
big specialized farms will grow it and get taxed when they sell it to stores for them to sell etc?
how will they tax people growing their own? they just wont right? and buying seeds and stuff.
yer right it is, and if you have ever read my posts, I do not feel someones rehab is my responsibility regardless of legalities of the drug.androoz wrote:
well at the moment the US isnt legalizing heroin, crack, etc.lowing wrote:
Sorry, if drug use is to be made legal ( which I fully support). I see no reason why I should be forced to pay for recovery of those that choose the irresponsible path of drug use and abuse. Fuck them.androoz wrote:
but society does have rehab for addictions...
you kind of already are paying for peoples drug use (people in rehab for alcohol)
but i agree, tax dollars shouldnt be spent toward peoples ABUSE of drugs but unfortunately that happens.
so lowing whaddya think then?????
you said so what? As if it does not affect anyone. It clearly does. Rehab and the fact that you think none drug users should have to pay for everyone elses descisons, lack of responsibility and well being while they are allowed to do whatever they want to themselves clearly affects the rest of us... But why am I not surprised that you think it their responsibilty should be someone elses problem to finance and manage?ruisleipa wrote:
well, I dunno, I wasn't talking about rehab. Why d'you put it in capital letters?lowing wrote:
and if society chooses not to provide rehab for addictions...................SO WHAT!??
But now you bring it up, it seems to me that the alternative of rehabd is having a load of druggies walking around the streets robbing and doing fuck all which is worse for society, so, in general rehab is a good idea.
I believe I already answered that.... FUCK THEM, they can starve for all I care. They seem to have enough money to buy drugs, yet can't seem to manage rehab or clothes, shelter or food? FUCK THEMruisleipa wrote:
so lowing whaddya think then?????
wow, talk about putting words in someone else's mouth! An amazing post from you lowing, full of assumptions, even more than usual. I was posing a question to chou, asking HIM what HE thought, related to HIS posts. I said NOTHING about my own opinions and was only interested in what Chou had to say. As usual you had to stick your oar in. I never said ANYTHING about drug users paying or not paying 'for the rest of us' or any shit like that. I did say that the alternative to rehab - lots of druggies and alcoholics wakling around our streets etc etc is on average worse for society than paying for rehab, so in general it's a good idea. You haven't explained why you think that's not the case.lowing wrote:
you said so what? As if it does not affect anyone. It clearly does. Rehab and the fact that you think none drug users should have to pay for everyone elses descisons, lack of responsibility and well being while they are allowed to do whatever they want to themselves clearly affects the rest of us... But why am I not surprised that you think it their responsibilty should be someone elses problem to finance and manage?
Just because you have a chip on your shoulder the size of Kentucky doesn't mean everyone else has. Jeez.
no I meant about the responses to your post, none of which you've answered coherently. I'm pretty sure everyone has got your idea about fucking drug addicts etc.lowing wrote:
I believe I already answered that.... FUCK THEM, they can starve for all I care. They seem to have enough money to buy drugs, yet can't seem to manage rehab or clothes, shelter or food? FUCK THEM
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It's pretty easy actually.androoz wrote:
that too.Pug wrote:
Ummm...don't you guys think they'll pay for it by taxing the crap out of weed?
Aka, the sin tax they have on cigarrettes right now...?
im still actually curious as to how the tax thing will work?
big specialized farms will grow it and get taxed when they sell it to stores for them to sell etc?
how will they tax people growing their own? they just wont right? and buying seeds and stuff.
There's an additional tax on gasoline (to pay for the roads)
There's an additional tax on cigarrettes (goes to pay something)
Same with booze.
You don't see it, because it's in the price already.
And I'd imagine the same rules for booze & tobacco would apply - you have to have a permit to manufacture and sell. I don't think its illegal to make your own.
I see, so I miss understood huh? so some get addicted to drugs "so what"? Can't even believe I mis-interpreted what you meantruisleipa wrote:
wow, talk about putting words in someone else's mouth! An amazing post from you lowing, full of assumptions, even more than usual. I was posing a question to chou, asking HIM what HE thought, related to HIS posts. I said NOTHING about my own opinions and was only interested in what Chou had to say. As usual you had to stick your oar in. I never said ANYTHING about drug users paying or not paying 'for the rest of us' or any shit like that. I did say that the alternative to rehab - lots of druggies and alcoholics wakling around our streets etc etc is on average worse for society than paying for rehab, so in general it's a good idea. You haven't explained why you think that's not the case.lowing wrote:
you said so what? As if it does not affect anyone. It clearly does. Rehab and the fact that you think none drug users should have to pay for everyone elses descisons, lack of responsibility and well being while they are allowed to do whatever they want to themselves clearly affects the rest of us... But why am I not surprised that you think it their responsibilty should be someone elses problem to finance and manage?
Just because you have a chip on your shoulder the size of Kentucky doesn't mean everyone else has. Jeez.no I meant about the responses to your post, none of which you've answered coherently. I'm pretty sure everyone has got your idea about fucking drug addicts etc.lowing wrote:
I believe I already answered that.... FUCK THEM, they can starve for all I care. They seem to have enough money to buy drugs, yet can't seem to manage rehab or clothes, shelter or food? FUCK THEM
Already answered to the responses to my posts? What should we do to them....FUCK THEM...can I be any more clear?
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It was a question to Chou, not a statement of opinion.lowing wrote:
I see, so I miss understood huh? so some get addicted to drugs "so what"? Can't even believe I mis-interpreted what you meant
Already answered to the responses to my posts? What should we do to them....FUCK THEM...can I be any more clear?
The limit of your opinion in this matter seems to be 'FUCK THEM'. You'll notice I said you haven't answered the posts coherently. 'FUCK THEM' isn't really much of an argument now is it?
I coulda swore I said Let the starve. If they commit a crime against law abiding society deal with them accordingly. What exactly are you wanting me to say? I do not give a flying fuck if they choke on their own vomit in the street. How is that for clarity?ruisleipa wrote:
It was a question to Chou, not a statement of opinion.lowing wrote:
I see, so I miss understood huh? so some get addicted to drugs "so what"? Can't even believe I mis-interpreted what you meant
Already answered to the responses to my posts? What should we do to them....FUCK THEM...can I be any more clear?
The limit of your opinion in this matter seems to be 'FUCK THEM'. You'll notice I said you haven't answered the posts coherently. 'FUCK THEM' isn't really much of an argument now is it?
My sympathies and efforts are directed towrd those that help themselves and those that can not. EVERYONE else can fend for themselves. It is called freedom to choose.
you want the freedom to do drugs, you take the responsibility that goes with freedom
I see, so "so what"? is a legit question and not a rhetorical one suggesting an opinion or an attitude...I will remember that.
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Based on the stories here, it seems that if you're addicted to pot, the only person it harms is yourself. If I were surrounded by addicts, I'd rather have them be addicted to pot than alcohol. Y'know, drunk drivers or assholes in a furious rage who just start attacking people and have to be brought down by several police.
errr.yeah ok. what a nice guy you are. Did you wake u on the wrong side of the bed or seomthing cos you seem even angrier to day than usual.lowing wrote:
If they commit a crime against law abiding society deal with them accordingly.
...
you want the freedom to do drugs, you take the responsibility that goes with freedom
Regarding the first point I quoted above, the question is should drugs be legalised, specifically pot, in which case they won't have committed a crime against 'law-abiding society' (and I'm sure you've NEVER broken the law, oh no ). I believe your answer to the question was yes, they should be legalised, correct? Which rather leaves this first remark of yours mute.
regarding the second point, I guess you also think fat people, people who drink, people who eat fast food, people who drive cars, people who smoke cigarettes, people who don't exercise, and anyone not living a healthy lifestyle and engaging in any remotely harmful activities should go fuck themselves too? riiight.
LMFAO oh man you're just trolling for an argument for real. Of course it was a legitimate question. Chou was talking about the dangers of being addicted to pot, something which many think is not possible. I said I agree that pot can be addictive and...so what? What did Chou feel followed on from this fact? Were there any conclusions that could be drawn regarding public drug policy from the fact that pot could potentially be addictive? Of course it was a legitimate question. Wtf are you on about lol.lowing wrote:
I see, so "so what"? is a legit question and not a rhetorical one suggesting an opinion or an attitude...I will remember that.
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Until you go looking for a job a fuckin job and can not pass the piss test, but yeah, beyond that, it is harmelssspecops10-4 wrote:
Weed is no more addicting than video games, porn, good food, anything that simply gives you pleasure. How many people do you think have punched a wall because they keep getting owned in a video game. Gotten into fights over women, anything... It can get to your head just like anything, theres a guy in my dorm who smokes so much weed he doesn't even know if he likes it any more but he still doesn't stop.Chou wrote:
I'm in Amsterdam and whenever I walk the city at 10 in the morning, there are porch monkeys sitting in coffee shops stoned like a motherfucker already and these guys claim that smoking weed is not addictive, at all, at any time.
I talked to a guy standing outside wearing bandages around his hand..
I asked: what happened?
He replied: I ran out of weed and got frustrated so I punched the wall.
Point is, weed is controlling their lives but they deny it every time and it's fucking up their system hard.
Its far from harmless, but far from being that harmful to society.