Norway's dirty little secrets

2009-09-24 08:45:02

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From the Guardian

Norway is no ethical leader – its pension fund, oil policy, environmental record and arms exports give the lie to its image

Can the European left look to Norway to push the world's powerful nations to act morally abroad? A Labour/socialist left coalition government is celebrating electoral victory there, the first time an incumbent government has won re-election in 40 years. Four years ago, it promised to act as a "peace nation" to support a "more democratic world order" and human rights. Yet socialist-led Norway – still living on its benign image abroad – has instead become the home of four dirty little secrets.

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2009-09-24 08:48:30

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5608

Act morally? A country with citizens to account for acting morally, how odd.

2009-09-24 08:58:21

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S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6469|Chicago, IL

There isn't a country on earth with a squeaky clean record, we all protect our own interests

2009-09-24 08:58:29

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13rin: Member; +977|6502

Awesome. Except for that whole "neutral carbon" crap.

S.Lythberg wrote:
There isn't a country on earth with a squeaky clean record, we all protect our own interests

Not so much over here anymore.

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2009-09-24 09:20:12

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Red Forman: Banned; +402|5423

how was this secret? maybe yall were in denial or something.

2009-09-24 09:22:45

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Red Forman wrote:
how was this secret? maybe yall were in denial or something.

It's the name of the article, nothing especially new, not to Norwegians anyway ...

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2009-09-24 09:37:37

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6672

I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.

2009-09-24 10:06:56

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Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6739

Follow the dollar. Everyone behind every movement has a motive.

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2009-09-24 10:11:19

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ghettoperson wrote:
I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.

Not at all, we just love thinking that we are

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2009-09-24 10:20:39

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Jenspm wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.
Not at all, we just love thinking that we are

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2009-09-25 04:05:12

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ghettoperson wrote:
I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.

One of the issues lacking in the article is that Norway basically have a enviromentally friendly energy production, what the author of the article fail to adress is the point that Norway spends mucho dollars on reducing other countries not so enviromentally friendly energy production because it's way more reduction pr dollar outside than inside our borders ...

On the other hand what kind of an example are we making when not willing to reduce enough at home when we claim to be top notch enviromentalists ...

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2009-09-25 06:53:35

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Is Denmark still burning fish to make electricity?

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2009-09-25 19:05:53

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ONLY IF THEY COMES WITH THE CHIPS!
I haven't heard of that and I'm from Denmark. Maybe it's a secret?

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2009-09-25 19:48:06

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Red Forman wrote:
how was this secret? maybe yall were in denial or something.

A'cmon Red. You know the people who constantly line up to pay homage to the Scandinavian countries.

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2009-09-25 19:56:04

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Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6623|132 and Bush

Varegg wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.
One of the issues lacking in the article is that Norway basically have a enviromentally friendly energy production, what the author of the article fail to adress is the point that Norway spends mucho dollars on reducing other countries not so enviromentally friendly energy production because it's way more reduction pr dollar outside than inside our borders ...

On the other hand what kind of an example are we making when not willing to reduce enough at home when we claim to be top notch enviromentalists ...

Isn't oil production/export at the core of your economy? Are you talking strictly about how the oil is gathered? (Not the sale and use of if it)

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2009-09-26 05:05:31

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Kmarion wrote:
Varegg wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I can't say any of that shocks me, nor do I really care. People investing somewhere where they will actually turn a profit? What next?! That said, the pollution thing I find surprising, I thought they were one of the most environmentally friendly countries around.
One of the issues lacking in the article is that Norway basically have a enviromentally friendly energy production, what the author of the article fail to adress is the point that Norway spends mucho dollars on reducing other countries not so enviromentally friendly energy production because it's way more reduction pr dollar outside than inside our borders ...

On the other hand what kind of an example are we making when not willing to reduce enough at home when we claim to be top notch enviromentalists ...
Isn't oil production/export at the core of your economy? Are you talking strictly about how the oil is gathered? (Not the sale and use of if it)

Oil is the core of our economy yes and the process of gathering it isn't the problem, the reprocessing and use of it is also amongst the cleanest productions in the world but we could do more as a signal to others that we are really committed to reducing carbon emission before we demand other to reduce theirs ... we say one thing and do another ...

It's all aspects of Norwegian politics concerning the enviroment and global politics ... the core of the article is about how we as a nation like to pound our chest for being so damn good at everything.

We say we are humanitarian but we sell weapons we most likely know will end up killing a group of people we support publicly just as one example, we also invest our surplus from selling oil into a pension fund that buy stocks in companies we know break human rights in the countries they operate ... those kinda things, the list is long ...

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2009-09-27 17:41:59

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Ticia: Member; +73|5358

Varegg wrote:
Oil is the core of our economy yes and the process of gathering it isn't the problem, the reprocessing and use of it is also amongst the cleanest productions in the world but we could do more as a signal to others that we are really committed to reducing carbon emission before we demand other to reduce theirs ... we say one thing and do another ...

It's all aspects of Norwegian politics concerning the enviroment and global politics ... the core of the article is about how we as a nation like to pound our chest for being so damn good at everything.

We say we are humanitarian but we sell weapons we most likely know will end up killing a group of people we support publicly just as one example, we also invest our surplus from selling oil into a pension fund that buy stocks in companies we know break human rights in the countries they operate ... those kinda things, the list is long ...

So you are just close to perfection,huh? That's ok we won't hold it against you

2009-09-27 23:16:11

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Ticia wrote:
Varegg wrote:
Oil is the core of our economy yes and the process of gathering it isn't the problem, the reprocessing and use of it is also amongst the cleanest productions in the world but we could do more as a signal to others that we are really committed to reducing carbon emission before we demand other to reduce theirs ... we say one thing and do another ...

It's all aspects of Norwegian politics concerning the enviroment and global politics ... the core of the article is about how we as a nation like to pound our chest for being so damn good at everything.

We say we are humanitarian but we sell weapons we most likely know will end up killing a group of people we support publicly just as one example, we also invest our surplus from selling oil into a pension fund that buy stocks in companies we know break human rights in the countries they operate ... those kinda things, the list is long ...
So you are just close to perfection,huh? That's ok we won't hold it against you

Never said that ... but that's what we like to think we are ...

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