BF2S Forums Healthcare support goes under 50%

SealXo wrote:

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN208242420090720

Yesss!

thoughts?

It looks as if even the liberals can no longer believe their own bullshit.

Well, I suppose we'll see that approval number go up quite a bit if private care costs continue to skyrocket.

If nothing else though, I'm on an employer plan, so I guess that wouldn't really affect me anyway (unless I lost my job and then I'd be fucked).

I have been self employed for almost 15 years now and have always paid my own health insurance. I pay about 600 dollars per quarter for basic insurance and a mid range deductible. My insurance covers emergency room, hospitalization, testing...etc. but does not cover office visits, dental or vision. It is part of a self employed association and there are tons of discounts for other things and so far it has been great for prescription discounts and I can keep and choose the doctors I want. Would I be able to keep this? From what I have read...probably not.

I am not familiar with the details of Obama's plan but I feel it is way overboard from what I have read thus far. Why not just focus on people who can't or don't have insurance. Maybe offer insurance with with a lower rate to people who can't get insurance because of pre-existing conditions or are deemed uninsurable by the big companies. Focus on them and leave the people and employers to what they have and leave us to our choices. If we opt into government sponsored insurance, leave that up to us!!

I don't understand why they want to cover EVERYONE......don't try to fix what isn't broken...maybe its not perfect but we have tons of choices. I just don't get the this huge ambition. Why not wait a little to see if the money we have thrown everywhere works first. It just seems Obama is spending as much as he can, as fast as he can and doesn't want to wait or see how things are going at this point...SLOW DOWN!! When the dust settles a little bit, then focus on health care and focus on the people who need to be focused on, leave the rest alone.

“The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system,” Obama said in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers. “And greater stability and security to America’s families and businesses.”

    The White House quickly recognized the mistake and inserted a “sic” in the remarks sent to reporters on Monday afternoon.

Freudian slip???

Looks like 12 million illegals will be covered by Obamacare:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com … liens.html

Just because the stats say 50% of people disapprove of the handling of healthcare reform does not mean that 50% of people don't want healthcare reform. I want healthcare reform but I don't like what I'm seeing out of DC. I see the same lame stalling tactics, I see the lobbiests trying to delay the inevitable, its the same usually BSers trying to prevent getting anything of real benefit for regular people. I would say I disapprove of the handling of the healthcare reform so far, but that's because I want the reform to happen ASAP and I want to see more competition by implementing a public option.

The democrats have a very narrow window to pass this thing, if they fail then they are out. They are not there to do cap and trade, they are there to do healthcare reform. If they have the support to do BS cap and trade then they sure as hell better pass healthcare reform.



I still have to laugh my ass off at the morons saying "private insurance choices will disappear in the face of govt competition" gee I thought private industries were always more efficient than big bloated govt, I guess the very fear of govt competition put a pin in that baloney balloon. Some how I think that provate insurance will still be around, and I bet it going to be a lot cheaper because of competition and a lot more consumer friendly. Even if you are a staunch supporter of private everything you should still support this plan because it is the best option to get relief from skyrocketing costs.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

SealXo wrote:

thoughts?

My fingers are crossed.  I hope he FAILS.

wow

...by turning the haves into have nots at least as much (if not more because of inefficiencies) as you turn the have nots into haves.

It's not a matter of can't, it's a matter of won't.

CameronPoe wrote:

It's quite sad and odd that the US, probably one of the most innovative and forward-thinking nations on earth, can't manage a proper universal healthcare system as enjoyed by most of the rest of the developed world (and notably their northern neighbours Canada). Perhaps it really is too late. Not having implemented it earlier in the nations development may have crippled any possibility of it. It's a critical tool in enabling the have nots - by birth, circumstance, accident or otherwise - from taking steps up the social ladder to productiveness and prosperity, to escape the cycle of poverty.

Those people already have UHC (and other forms of welfare) and it hasn't done anything to pull them out of poverty (see Washington DC population).

Sorry Cam. That argument doesn't stand up to even a modicum of examination.

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

It's quite sad and odd that the US, probably one of the most innovative and forward-thinking nations on earth, can't manage a proper universal healthcare system as enjoyed by most of the rest of the developed world (and notably their northern neighbours Canada). Perhaps it really is too late. Not having implemented it earlier in the nations development may have crippled any possibility of it. It's a critical tool in enabling the have nots - by birth, circumstance, accident or otherwise - from taking steps up the social ladder to productiveness and prosperity, to escape the cycle of poverty.

Those people already have UHC (and other forms of welfare) and it hasn't done anything to pull them out of poverty (see Washington DC population).

Sorry Cam. That argument doesn't stand up to even a modicum of examination.

You don't have UHC in the US. Not even close. Note the word 'universal'. Healthcare alone won't help them - it's not a one-dimensional problem, we don't live in a one-dimensional world. The US, just like everywhere else, is not a level playing field in terms of opportunity. There are those in certain income zones that might be crippled by a certain healthcare issue arising in their life - which would be regarded as at best unlucky and at worst completely unfair by most of the developed world - and it is for those that I gather Obama intends to address the issue.  There is a flaw in US society whereby the populace has become reliant on employer-driven healthcare support, when we all know in this recession how fickle companies are. Companies should not and cannot be trusted with your health. As such, I would advise either compulsory insurance for all or UHC.

The poor (the group you've chosen to champion here) DO have UHC. They are covered by the government for all their medical care.

Some who are not necessarily "poor" have govt-provided healthcare, as well. My son (when we lived in VA) qualified for Medicaid under that state's Medicaid waiver program based on his disability. That covered things that my govt-provided healthcare coverage (TriCare) didn't cover. That's right--there's stuff the govt doesn't cover WRT health care. And the service sucks. And it's near impossible to get a referral to a specialist...unless you're already sick.

Our govt-run system is great if you're sick. It sucks balls if you're trying to stay well. But let's go ahead and force it on everyone anyway.

Last edited by FEOS (2009-07-21 03:56:33)

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

The poor (the group you've chosen to champion here) DO have UHC. They are covered by the government for all their medical care.

I'm actually moreso championing those in the infancy of breaking away from the poverty, who've taken the first step and are the most vulnerable to being kicked back down again. The limbo zone. The guys working two shitty jobs just to try and keep their head above water. Those types.

And again...those folks have medical coverage. Either via Medicaid and/or their employer(s).

I found this to be very interesting. Just watch it before you start bitching about it being a conspiracy theory because MM is mentioned.