Poll

Would you agree to this policy?

Yes completely. Wish it were not hypothetical.40%40% - 18
No. US has no right to, even if hypothetical.11%11% - 5
Just leave Iraq and we will forgive US of past policy.9%9% - 4
meh, another silly DS&T poll why do I even post here?38%38% - 17
Total: 44
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7252|Grapevine, TX
Read the following letter to the citizens of the United States, our allies, and the other nations of the world. Tell me why you agree with the stance of this speaker or why you oppose the US from starting a plan like this.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of the Iraq regime has been completed.
Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq this action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.


Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom , Spain , Bulgaria , Australia , and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list.. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war. . ..

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world hellholes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine ? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France .

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home . On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.
Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France , or maybe China .

I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France , Germany , and Russia Thanks for all your help, comrades.. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2 The Mexican President and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tanks and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put 'em? Yep, border security.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come.. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America It is time to eliminate homelessness in America . To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thank you guys. We owe you and we won't forget.
To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.

God bless America Thank you and good night.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California
Yes, completely!  Wish it weren't a hypothetical.  THe only problem with the letter, which is also a great idea, is that the US government doesn't really do jack in regards to AID...it's the people and our private agencies that provide the lion's share of US originated AID.  Sure the US Gov will kick down a measily $200M towards a destroyed foreign country and that can be withheld..but won't even come close to paying for 6 months of the war of terra!

I do like the idea though of focusing aid towards ourselves and denying "non-coalition" countries...even though that coalition was a joke to begin with and nobody should feel obliged to help us avenging 9/11.  But the AID twist is clever. Also, penalizing non-coalition countries that helped in Afganistan is what I mean...NOT IRAQ.  Not a single country should have helped us in Iraq...they're all tools who did and their people should let them know.
13rin
Member
+977|6902

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Read the following letter to the citizens of the United States, our allies, and the other nations of the world. Tell me why you agree with the stance of this speaker or why you oppose the US from starting a plan like this.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of the Iraq regime has been completed.
Since congress does......         ......  we won't forget.
To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.

God bless America Thank you and good night.
I agree with parts of this.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6876|Ontario, Canada
How the hell do Canadians piss you off? How about we stop trading with you and your country can fall into even more than it already is.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY
It's incredibly short-sighted.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6709
So you advocate complete economic assistance withdrawl from countries who correctly didn't believe that Saddam had WMDs. - They should be penalised for being right?

If the US announced that it was suspending all foreign aid and also cancelling all third world debt there would be parties all across the third world the likes of which would be hard to imagine. Don't beleive that western countries pour money into the third world. It's often the exact opposite. Loan repayments typically outweigh aid. If you count real aid then they massively outweigh it.

Plenty of the third world hell holes are that way in part because of the rich nations like the US through wars, collonisation and imposing of policies. It's hardly fair to cut and run and blame them if you helped cause the problems.

Canceling NAFTA would cause celebrations in Mexico. It completely screwed them for primary the benefit of rich Americans. Many Mexicans refer to NAFTA as a death sentence.

Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet.
What planet are you living on? Ask some South Americans, Persians and East Asians exactly how much the US has been helping people live a decent life in the last century. People don't just randomly hate the US, they hate what the US government has done.
too_money2007
Member
+145|6731|Keller, Tx
Damn, if only..

Canada sucks. Plain and simple. Go hug a tree a fuck a bear, lumberjack.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7180|Argentina

SenorToenails wrote:

It's incredibly short-sighted.
13rin
Member
+977|6902

d4rkst4r wrote:

How the hell do Canadians piss you off? How about we stop trading with you and your country can fall into even more than it already is.
That didn't take long.  You guys with your hockey pucks, mooses and Labatt Blue.. Where the hell do y'all get off its "ABOUT" not "ABOOT" get it eh?


no...really I have no idea as to what the OP was thinking... At least as far as Canada is concerned.... Now Mexico, don't get me started.

And FYI if you stopped trading with the US, it'd hurt y'all more.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6961|Long Island, New York
I agree with the troop withdrawal, "help with famine" and Mexican government/border patrol parts. Highly.

1) I'm pretty confident the Iraqi government can handle what's left of Al Qaeda and the insurgency. We trained them.
2) I'm sick of us being looked at as the sole people to go into places like Darfur and Rwanda (back then) when there's trouble. We have our own problems right now. If the economy was great and we were not in any wars, of course I'd be for us going into Darfur. But it's not, and we're in 2.
3) If you can't stop people from crossing the border with border patrols, use more border patrols. In tanks.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6972|UK

PureFodder wrote:

Don't beleive that western countries pour money into the third world. It's often the exact opposite. Loan repayments typically outweigh aid. If you count real aid then they massively outweigh it.
Agreed. 

There is also the point that the US govt, for every $1 it sends in aid, it makes sure $0.80 comes back to the USA, through varies means, such as tied aid and the such.  They dont just give money and say go on lads do whatever.  They impose restrictions on them and tell them what they can and cannot buy with that cash and who they buy from.  For instance, why give them a half million dollar state of the art plougher when none of them can read?  Not our problem, that half million dollar order goes straight to texas and contributes to OUR economy not theres.  Though the USA is not the only one guilty of that, all the major rich nations do, Canada is the worst infact.

IRONCHEF wrote:

...even though that coalition was a joke to begin with and nobody should feel obliged to help us avenging 9/11.
I am not so well versed on any nation bar the USA and UK, but living in the UK at the time, to begin with at least, there was a sense that an attack on the states like that was as much a hit to the UK, there was, to an extent a feeling of comoradery (sp?) in the time of need.  They weren't obliged to do anything, but they did.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Not a single country should have helped us in Iraq...they're all tools who did and their people should let them know.
Second point though I am having trouble digesting.  Regardless of the reasons for war, are you saying the Brits who where being slaughtered in Basra are all tools?  Try telling there mothers that, or even any British guy on here.  I also think am right in saying, its the Brits who are doing the lion share of the fighting in Afghanistan now that we don't seem so fussed about there for some reason anymore.  Took on too much so we will leave the Brits to it?  They deserve a medal for what they have done, not some ignorant fly insult.

Martyn
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6876|Ontario, Canada

DBBrinson1 wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

How the hell do Canadians piss you off? How about we stop trading with you and your country can fall into even more than it already is.
That didn't take long.  You guys with your hockey pucks, mooses and Labatt Blue.. Where the hell do y'all get off its "ABOUT" not "ABOOT" get it eh?


no...really I have no idea as to what the OP was thinking... At least as far as Canada is concerned.... Now Mexico, don't get me started.

And FYI if you stopped trading with the US, it'd hurt y'all more.
Your right it would hurt both of us, both Canada and U.S. need each other in trading. So then why do we have this dickhead OP who probably is some southern redneck who obviously doesn't know anything.

/fail
/inb4ban
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7072

sergeriver wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

It's incredibly short-sighted.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7183|San Antonio, Texas
We already tried isolationism, it didn't work.

And,

ghettoperson wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

It's incredibly short-sighted.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6914|Northern California

Bell wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Not a single country should have helped us in Iraq...they're all tools who did and their people should let them know.
Second point though I am having trouble digesting.  Regardless of the reasons for war, are you saying the Brits who where being slaughtered in Basra are all tools?  Try telling there mothers that, or even any British guy on here.  I also think am right in saying, its the Brits who are doing the lion share of the fighting in Afghanistan now that we don't seem so fussed about there for some reason anymore.  Took on too much so we will leave the Brits to it?  They deserve a medal for what they have done, not some ignorant fly insult.

Martyn
Yeah....the Brits who died in Iraq were tools...  **rolls eyes**

No dude, that's hardly what I'm saying.  I'm saying that any nation that went along with US are tools "for doing so."  It says nothing of their actual efforts, good or bad, which are as admirable as anyone's.  Of course, in 2003, I remember pouring through Tony Blair's "Dossier on Saddam Hussein" and reading the details of that insanely huge memo and thinking, "Wow, if only Colin Powell would put out some public information on this like the UK did, it'd be more believable!"  But no, we had to take their word for it..smoking guns and mushroom clouds!  So in short, UK is partly to blame for hyping it up and going to war on bad intel as well.. but that's the topic of a different thread that I don't want to visit.
Home
Section.80
+447|7271|Seattle, Washington, USA

Disagree. I say we aid no other countries at all or we aid those who need it. Not this, "We'll give aid to the dumb ass puppet govs who came to Iraq with us," bs. I'd much rather my money be spent on the 3rd world countries. Oh, and I found the line about 3rd world leaders growing fat on corruption very ironic, coming from someone in the US government (I know it's not really from the real government).

And the comment about environmentalists opposing drilling in Alaska I think may be the most dissapointing of all. Only because it says, "If you don't like it, move to another country where they care." No. This is not supposed to be a country where, if the people oppose something, the government says GTFO. This is a country where you are supposed to do whatever the hell we want you to. Even more pathetic that this was written by (I'm guessing) a citizen.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6942|Πάϊ
HAH! It's like all the wrongs of this world are caused by foreigners! Nice...

Also, I get the sense that things like the NAFTA treaty are considered by the author to be some US handout to the rest of the world.

But yeah, if them darn diplomats pay their tickets it'll save the poor

and the streets of NY will be a safer place

What a bunch of pretentious bullshit. That guy should pull his goddamn head out of his ass.
ƒ³
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:

It's incredibly short-sighted.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
Don't you just love how chain e-mails are always written by pompous idiots?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

Turquoise wrote:

Don't you just love how chain e-mails are always written by pompous idiots?
It's like the guy took a hodgepodge of issues, slung them all together and then whipped himself into a frenzy about it.  It reminded me of this:
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6747|New Haven, CT
Some good, some bad, some abject failures, some tear inducing, and some entirely unfeasible.

I would support the Iraq withdrawal, increased border security, and crushing of the UN vehicles.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

nukchebi0 wrote:

crushing of the UN vehicles.
That has been dealt with since 2002, when the State Department started withholding the amount of the ticket plus interest from foreign aid.  The only real debt left is from tickets issued before then.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6747|New Haven, CT

SenorToenails wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

crushing of the UN vehicles.
That has been dealt with since 2002, when the State Department started withholding the amount of the ticket plus interest from foreign aid.  The only real debt left is from tickets issued before then.
It was more the crushing of the vehicles than the collection of the debts. I wasn't really serious with the inclusion of that.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6553|North Tonawanda, NY

nukchebi0 wrote:

It was more the crushing of the vehicles than the collection of the debts. I wasn't really serious with the inclusion of that.
Ehh, mine was more of a comment wondering why that was even included in the rant, err, speech.
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7191
The letter make the US come off looking like a knight in shining armour, the reasons for going to war were legit and "youre either with us or against us"

I like this bit though: In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home .

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